For a long time, there were only the club colours green and white for Thomas Schaaf: he was a player, youth coach, professional player and head coach at Werder Bremen. His crowning achievement was the club’s so far unique double in 2004, when he led the team to the German championship title and the DFB Cup victory. Together with the podcast hosts Oliver Bartelt, Head of Communications at Deutsches Milchkontor, and Marco Bode, former European Championship winner and Werder professional, he talks about his experiences and about how, by creating trust, he introduced a leadership style that was innovative at the time in order to strengthen team spirit.